1 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:03,290 you're listening to Ira the inception 2 00:00:19,730 --> 00:00:16,080 radio network Chicago Illinois you're 3 00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:19,740 listening to I RN 2014 orders own 4 00:00:27,710 --> 00:00:25,380 international yoga conference dr. Javier 5 00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:27,720 Morales was born in Chihuahua city and 6 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:30,900 raised in Odessa Texas he raised his 7 00:00:36,020 --> 00:00:33,090 faces his family roots to the tiny 8 00:00:38,540 --> 00:00:36,030 community to my an hour's drive from 9 00:00:41,090 --> 00:00:38,550 here the author spent more than a decade 10 00:00:45,529 --> 00:00:41,100 researching the history of the kill me 11 00:00:48,830 --> 00:00:45,539 area cultivating in 2012 publication of 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:48,840 his book kagami history of the American 13 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:51,930 settler his landmark book includes a 14 00:00:56,930 --> 00:00:54,180 chapter title unexplained phenomenon 15 00:01:01,279 --> 00:00:56,940 which covers the reported crash of a UFO 16 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:01,289 near koyomi in 1974 as well as other 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:03,600 paranormal incidents in the area about 18 00:01:08,780 --> 00:01:06,450 which he will speak this morning ladies 19 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:08,790 and gentlemen please welcome dr. javier 20 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:22,289 thanks everybody for coming the I was at 21 00:01:25,649 --> 00:01:23,710 the hotel this morning with my laptop 22 00:01:28,139 --> 00:01:25,659 real excited with my beautiful pictures 23 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:28,149 on my powerpoint and some message showed 24 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:29,920 up file corrupted I don't know what that 25 00:01:34,950 --> 00:01:32,710 means but it did not want to work this 26 00:01:38,850 --> 00:01:34,960 morning maybe it's part of that border 27 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:38,860 border energy out here thank you for 28 00:01:44,669 --> 00:01:40,720 having me i want to thank the city of 29 00:01:45,779 --> 00:01:44,679 Presidio and most of all Brad for 30 00:01:48,690 --> 00:01:45,789 inviting us and putting this event 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:48,700 together this is great I am I have you 32 00:01:56,029 --> 00:01:51,810 know have real long hundreds of years of 33 00:01:58,620 --> 00:01:56,039 blood ties to this area and so 34 00:02:01,380 --> 00:01:58,630 unexplained phenomena ins and paranormal 35 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:01,390 that's always been at our dinner tables 36 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:03,940 when we were eating dinner in you know 37 00:02:07,559 --> 00:02:05,920 grandparents great-grandparents 38 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:07,569 everything they would mention to us and 39 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:09,549 so that's nothing new to this the people 40 00:02:14,850 --> 00:02:12,190 of this area today what I'm going to do 41 00:02:21,710 --> 00:02:14,860 is I'm going to be a small footnote in 42 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:21,720 the lecture series the true UFO go yama 43 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:24,220 incident research will will definitely 44 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:26,049 give you more details and that research 45 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:28,750 is ongoing so that's great great for 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:30,489 everybody here that it's a pretty neat 47 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:33,130 pretty neat thing and but I'm going to 48 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:34,840 just talk to you a bit about cuyama and 49 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:36,760 be the background information to when 50 00:02:42,870 --> 00:02:39,120 they do talk about the actual incident 51 00:02:46,229 --> 00:02:42,880 the we're not when I went off to be an 52 00:02:49,289 --> 00:02:46,239 eye doctor I went to Puerto Rico I'm 53 00:02:51,180 --> 00:02:49,299 originally raised in Odessa Texas when I 54 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:51,190 went to Puerto Rico I you know I was a 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:52,390 little different than everybody else 56 00:02:59,039 --> 00:02:56,130 there I was you know Texan Texican and 57 00:03:01,470 --> 00:02:59,049 so I kind of got a little homesick and 58 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:01,480 started you know understand that I was 59 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:03,940 different but in a way it was ok because 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:07,000 and so I started doing research on where 61 00:03:11,099 --> 00:03:08,170 I came from I didn't know where I came 62 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:11,109 from where my family came from and over 63 00:03:15,180 --> 00:03:13,120 10 years I ended up being the kind of 64 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:15,190 the one of the experts of the of this 65 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:17,340 area on the history of this area and 66 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:20,650 many people including one researcher 67 00:03:28,830 --> 00:03:25,030 from Los Angeles her name is she just 68 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:28,840 passed away elisa Lujan she was a big La 69 00:03:32,190 --> 00:03:30,120 Junta 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:32,200 researcher she gave me the idea to do 71 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:34,210 the book and so I did a book about the 72 00:03:37,530 --> 00:03:35,980 history of this area it's not really 73 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:37,540 just about cuyama is just mainly about 74 00:03:41,940 --> 00:03:40,030 the border and the people here and so 75 00:03:44,820 --> 00:03:41,950 I'm going to give you that information 76 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:44,830 I've found and with that information you 77 00:03:50,310 --> 00:03:46,990 will understand how the people of this 78 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:50,320 area interacted with you know paranormal 79 00:03:57,420 --> 00:03:55,090 stuff and and unexplained things as we 80 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:57,430 know Native Americans have been here for 81 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:00,959 a long time written records show them 82 00:04:06,990 --> 00:04:03,430 being approached by Europeans around 83 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:07,000 1500 in this area you can imagine the 84 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:09,790 valor and the incredible tenacity of 85 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:12,310 these missionaries on a little burrow or 86 00:04:17,849 --> 00:04:15,760 you know sometimes walking just walk you 87 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:17,859 know just document in all the villages 88 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:19,410 they found out here and all the natives 89 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:21,820 so around 1500 you have some 90 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:23,590 missionaries walking through here and 91 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:26,260 finding a lot of native tribes in this 92 00:04:32,970 --> 00:04:31,090 area with once that happened in Santa 93 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:32,980 Barbara which is the southern tip of 94 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:35,830 Chihuahua state you have mines being 95 00:04:40,110 --> 00:04:38,710 discovered there a lot of minerals you 96 00:04:42,630 --> 00:04:40,120 know that's going to be important in the 97 00:04:45,570 --> 00:04:42,640 future of why maybe there's UFOs in this 98 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:45,580 sightings in this area well when the 99 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:47,860 mines were discovered you know OSHA 100 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:49,900 didn't exist and none of the safety that 101 00:04:54,870 --> 00:04:52,930 we see nowadays so humans were more you 102 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:54,880 know pretty much you know a lot of them 103 00:04:59,280 --> 00:04:57,340 dying left and right in these minds and 104 00:05:01,380 --> 00:04:59,290 so they needed manpower and so you 105 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:01,390 started having Spaniards coming in this 106 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:04,390 area and taking the Indians as slaves in 107 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:08,320 the 1500s and so a little later in on 108 00:05:12,990 --> 00:05:11,440 the 1600s you I think about 1680 you 109 00:05:17,070 --> 00:05:13,000 have a gentleman by name and juan cortez 110 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:17,080 el rey he was a knight of the Spanish 111 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:20,860 king he came out here and he ended up he 112 00:05:26,430 --> 00:05:23,550 was a part of the order of santiago and 113 00:05:28,890 --> 00:05:26,440 he was one of the kind of bodyguards of 114 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:28,900 this king of spain and he arrived out 115 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:30,910 here and as you know the I think Fort 116 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:32,680 Leaton was called Santiago it was a 117 00:05:38,850 --> 00:05:35,520 maybe a mission back in that time period 118 00:05:42,380 --> 00:05:38,860 anyway he he ended up settling he 119 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:42,390 settles in in an area 40 miles from here 120 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:45,450 and when he arrives it's all desert and 121 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:47,310 then you have this value with lucious 122 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:51,030 you know trees and a natural spring 123 00:05:54,590 --> 00:05:53,430 there everybody can hear me okay I'm 124 00:05:57,230 --> 00:05:54,600 trying to pull back the bus you don't 125 00:05:58,730 --> 00:05:57,240 get that air co effect anyway he he 126 00:06:02,600 --> 00:05:58,740 arrives there and he brings his wife 127 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:02,610 there in that in the area he finds a 128 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:04,920 tribe which he calls the Chilam a tribe 129 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:08,210 and the leader of the tribe he names 130 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:11,280 undress giving him a Spanish name in his 131 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:13,710 last name which the the the chief of the 132 00:06:21,470 --> 00:06:18,810 tribe he said was the chief said was go 133 00:06:24,170 --> 00:06:21,480 young man well the Spaniards ended up 134 00:06:26,030 --> 00:06:24,180 konechno llame and so his name ends up 135 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:26,040 being chief on Driscoll llame and this 136 00:06:31,970 --> 00:06:30,030 is 1680s well Chihuahua bit Chihuahua 137 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:31,980 ends up finding some minds to our city 138 00:06:37,570 --> 00:06:34,170 ends up finding some minds as well some 139 00:06:40,250 --> 00:06:37,580 gold and silver mines they end up being 140 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:40,260 established in a city there well then 141 00:06:45,170 --> 00:06:41,850 from there you have another gentleman 142 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:45,180 comes out his name is Tasmania troz 143 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:47,880 vinya is read this which if you go to 144 00:06:52,250 --> 00:06:50,520 chalky Naga across the river the main 145 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:52,260 street there is called as vania and 146 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:54,240 that's why it's called that way he comes 147 00:07:00,260 --> 00:06:58,170 in about 17 15 he comes on with you know 148 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:00,270 those those types of expeditions they 149 00:07:04,430 --> 00:07:02,910 would bring other their ice chests with 150 00:07:06,380 --> 00:07:04,440 them which was like three hundred head 151 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:06,390 of cows you know the cattle they'd bring 152 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:08,520 with and that was their ice chest and so 153 00:07:12,170 --> 00:07:10,230 anyway he comes down to this area and he 154 00:07:15,980 --> 00:07:12,180 actually officially establishes this 155 00:07:18,140 --> 00:07:15,990 area that was 17 15 okay and so that's 156 00:07:21,350 --> 00:07:18,150 when the official name of kilometer town 157 00:07:24,590 --> 00:07:21,360 is actually established they do it they 158 00:07:28,310 --> 00:07:24,600 make it they make a mission there the 159 00:07:30,530 --> 00:07:28,320 the tribe and ten families arrive okay 160 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:30,540 if you go to Fort Leaton in their little 161 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:31,860 exhibition hall there's a picture of 162 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:34,260 that church in there I saw it last night 163 00:07:38,630 --> 00:07:36,960 I was kind of surprised anyway those ten 164 00:07:40,910 --> 00:07:38,640 families arrived and as you know when 165 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:40,920 they arrived there was a tribe there the 166 00:07:44,690 --> 00:07:43,140 cholo matrai which I just mentioned well 167 00:07:47,690 --> 00:07:44,700 then you have the mixing of the two 168 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:47,700 cultures which are similar you know 169 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:48,930 they're different but they're similar 170 00:07:56,690 --> 00:07:53,430 one of the things that is similar is the 171 00:07:59,210 --> 00:07:56,700 witches as you know the Spanish they had 172 00:08:00,800 --> 00:07:59,220 the Inquisition which they burn witches 173 00:08:02,660 --> 00:08:00,810 at the stake you know if they found 174 00:08:05,150 --> 00:08:02,670 there was witches but when you have 175 00:08:06,830 --> 00:08:05,160 these people in this you know if just 176 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:06,840 kind of pics yourself go outside right 177 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:08,490 here and just look around imagine those 178 00:08:14,270 --> 00:08:11,340 in the you know 17 15 and look at this 179 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:14,280 right now you're isolated you break your 180 00:08:18,530 --> 00:08:16,290 leg you're in trouble in procedure you 181 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:18,540 know you have a major car accident out 182 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:20,730 here you're in trouble go deeper into 183 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:24,090 big bin Park break your leg in there no 184 00:08:28,730 --> 00:08:26,820 self sir no sales signal you know who 185 00:08:34,340 --> 00:08:28,740 you're going to call you know so imagine 186 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:34,350 in 1715 out here all they had was their 187 00:08:42,290 --> 00:08:39,810 customs Curran data's which is a name is 188 00:08:44,750 --> 00:08:42,300 a name for a good witch then you have 189 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:44,760 the bad witches and so you have a lot of 190 00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:47,310 sorcery which was all they had as 191 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:50,880 medicine you know somebody got sick they 192 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:52,710 had to get explained what was wrong with 193 00:08:58,970 --> 00:08:54,480 that person and so in those days there 194 00:09:00,440 --> 00:08:58,980 was no doctors you know and and so you 195 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:00,450 have to understand that clash of the 196 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:02,490 cultures was ended up being a new 197 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:05,430 culture and so when they were out here 198 00:09:13,070 --> 00:09:10,290 they had to explain the unexplained and 199 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:13,080 so one of the things that even in this 200 00:09:16,820 --> 00:09:15,120 you know when I was growing up and we 201 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:16,830 would hear stories from my grandparents 202 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:21,780 was if you ever saw a white owl that was 203 00:09:27,410 --> 00:09:24,510 a witch disguised as an owl you know 204 00:09:33,950 --> 00:09:27,420 that could come from Spanish culture or 205 00:09:36,350 --> 00:09:33,960 Indian culture the another thing is the 206 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:36,360 remedies people would have was native 207 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:37,920 american and spanish you know that's 208 00:09:43,570 --> 00:09:40,590 that was very important to them healing 209 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:43,580 and and so in any way you have the 210 00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:46,410 mixing other cultures then it then 211 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:48,720 borders start changing out here you know 212 00:09:53,390 --> 00:09:51,570 it was spanish government and it became 213 00:09:55,130 --> 00:09:53,400 you know Mexican government and 214 00:09:59,270 --> 00:09:55,140 eventually United States government and 215 00:10:01,910 --> 00:09:59,280 so the original settlers were soldiers 216 00:10:05,180 --> 00:10:01,920 that arrived those ten families later 217 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:05,190 more people came but this isolation is 218 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:06,420 very unique 219 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:09,450 and amazing that we even have ends you 220 00:10:13,250 --> 00:10:11,220 know descendants from host people 221 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:13,260 because they survived they survived out 222 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:16,620 here and they you know they if the land 223 00:10:21,889 --> 00:10:19,230 didn't kill him the desert out here the 224 00:10:26,509 --> 00:10:21,899 Indians did you know all the way to from 225 00:10:29,569 --> 00:10:26,519 the 1500s to the 1880s constant Indian 226 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:29,579 attacks constantly being killed you know 227 00:10:38,030 --> 00:10:32,370 as a historian one thing that fascinates 228 00:10:40,850 --> 00:10:38,040 me is a gentleman captain Ronquillo he 229 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:40,860 was the original land grant owner of 230 00:10:45,379 --> 00:10:43,769 this area and I was reading the diary of 231 00:10:47,870 --> 00:10:45,389 one of his soldiers the other day 232 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:47,880 somebody got me and that they found here 233 00:10:51,949 --> 00:10:49,470 in Presidio and one of the things that 234 00:10:54,410 --> 00:10:51,959 was interesting was when he had a young 235 00:10:56,139 --> 00:10:54,420 family arrived here they would go out 236 00:11:00,350 --> 00:10:56,149 and start building their little one-room 237 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:00,360 adobe house young family you know small 238 00:11:07,329 --> 00:11:02,820 kids and instantly they would get a 239 00:11:10,009 --> 00:11:07,339 report to dr. to Capitan Ronquillo sir 240 00:11:12,410 --> 00:11:10,019 remember the so-and-so family that 241 00:11:15,380 --> 00:11:12,420 arrived here three months ago they just 242 00:11:17,660 --> 00:11:15,390 killed the husband and the wife and they 243 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:17,670 kidnapped the kids the Comanches or the 244 00:11:21,740 --> 00:11:19,800 Apaches and there he goes he would load 245 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:21,750 up at ten o'clock at night I mean you 246 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:23,910 know how dark it is out here he would 247 00:11:27,860 --> 00:11:25,470 load up his Calvary at ten o'clock at 248 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:27,870 night go look for those Indians report 249 00:11:33,949 --> 00:11:30,480 after report after report you know in 250 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:33,959 the 1700s that that's what they did that 251 00:11:38,389 --> 00:11:35,850 was their job the Calvary soldiers 252 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:38,399 imagine trying to run a horse through 253 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:40,110 those mountains in the middle of night 254 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:42,120 with no moon imagine how tough that 255 00:11:48,019 --> 00:11:43,860 would be on the horse on the you know 256 00:11:50,530 --> 00:11:48,029 and and so you know it it's amazing to 257 00:11:53,059 --> 00:11:50,540 me that the history of that with that 258 00:11:55,939 --> 00:11:53,069 that gives you a little bit of history 259 00:12:02,629 --> 00:11:55,949 of why the people on the border here or 260 00:12:05,629 --> 00:12:02,639 like they are that I you know that the 261 00:12:08,059 --> 00:12:05,639 term you know pioneer stock have you 262 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:08,069 ever heard that where it's just so tough 263 00:12:13,579 --> 00:12:10,980 that nothing nothing ever you know makes 264 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:13,589 them complain about anything and so 265 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:15,870 that's that's what you know the culture 266 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:18,810 here and and and my descendants my 267 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:24,090 my furthest back is jose morales and he 268 00:12:28,190 --> 00:12:25,529 was a Calvary soldiers arrived in 269 00:12:31,180 --> 00:12:28,200 qayamat you know with with that group I 270 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:31,190 a year after they built that church in 271 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:36,000 1715 it probably took ten years to build 272 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:38,550 it a year after that the Apache came in 273 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:40,470 and killed everybody and burned the 274 00:12:43,970 --> 00:12:42,150 church down and so it was abandoned for 275 00:12:46,910 --> 00:12:43,980 a long time it was probably rebuilt 276 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:46,920 behind them you know probably made to 277 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:50,130 you know mid 1770s around there it was 278 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:53,250 rebuilt there's no true you know written 279 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:54,870 report but it was when it was rebuilt at 280 00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:56,610 Calvary arrived the Spanish Calvary and 281 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:59,279 they never burned it down again okay so 282 00:13:04,820 --> 00:13:01,680 they were able to fend off the Apache 283 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:04,830 and in eighteen eighty the that same 284 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:06,570 group of soldiers that future 285 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:08,370 generations ended up killing the last 286 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:11,100 Apache chief Victoria there in co yeah 287 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:14,160 me and they the rest of the patches were 288 00:13:20,810 --> 00:13:16,790 put in reservations in the United States 289 00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:20,820 1880 and so that's a little history of 290 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:22,320 koyama that's kind of why I was your 291 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:25,710 speaker tonight so today so when the 292 00:13:29,870 --> 00:13:28,650 true UFO enthusiast researchers talk to 293 00:13:32,090 --> 00:13:29,880 you about cuyama you have an idea of 294 00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:32,100 where it is what it what it's like it's 295 00:13:35,810 --> 00:13:33,990 just kind of like here just kind of 296 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:35,820 isolated but what you have in that 297 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:37,620 little valley of work or llaman is it's 298 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:39,450 just that there's a natural spring there 299 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:41,310 that's been given water for hundreds of 300 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:43,710 years right now they tapped into it and 301 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:45,330 that's their actual water source and it 302 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:46,890 hasn't run out and then the whole town 303 00:13:53,570 --> 00:13:50,640 lives off that water source and farming 304 00:13:56,630 --> 00:13:53,580 to the and so it's never run out that 305 00:13:58,070 --> 00:13:56,640 little spring and so what I'm going to 306 00:14:00,260 --> 00:13:58,080 do now that's the kind of the history of 307 00:14:02,810 --> 00:14:00,270 it what I'm going to mention to you now 308 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:02,820 is some of the items they said I 309 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:06,089 mentioned in my chapter qayamat 310 00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:10,320 phenomenons because that you know they 311 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:12,000 might be tied into why there might have 312 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:17,010 been a possible UFO crash in cuyama the 313 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:20,160 the most common thing people mentioned 314 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:23,100 is when you ask them when you're there 315 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:25,320 and you ask them have you ever seen 316 00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:27,150 anything weird here in co llame to them 317 00:14:30,350 --> 00:14:28,500 it's not weird anymore because they see 318 00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:30,360 it all the time they see stuff all the 319 00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:31,279 time 320 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:36,079 and so the when I was doing my research 321 00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:38,720 on the book I would just ask people hey 322 00:14:41,530 --> 00:14:39,920 what do you want to contribute to the 323 00:14:43,059 --> 00:14:41,540 book and the number one thing was all 324 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:43,069 this weird stuff we see all the time you 325 00:14:45,999 --> 00:14:44,689 know what can we can we talk about that 326 00:14:48,129 --> 00:14:46,009 just don't tell anybody I told you 327 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:48,139 they're real you know their Christian 328 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:50,600 beliefs you don't you don't makes those 329 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:51,860 things you know you don't say you saw a 330 00:14:56,350 --> 00:14:54,350 UFO lanyard you know you're hardcore 331 00:14:58,410 --> 00:14:56,360 Catholic that doesn't they don't want 332 00:15:02,379 --> 00:14:58,420 public key people to know that and so 333 00:15:03,939 --> 00:15:02,389 the the one thing I'm going to tell you 334 00:15:06,759 --> 00:15:03,949 first is what my mom and grandma 335 00:15:08,650 --> 00:15:06,769 personally saw my grandma is still to 336 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:08,660 today she still covers her head to go 337 00:15:14,259 --> 00:15:11,180 into church she's very very traditional 338 00:15:16,569 --> 00:15:14,269 Catholic and she never has agreed or 339 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:16,579 disagreed with the stories my mom saw in 340 00:15:22,119 --> 00:15:19,730 her presence and so I've never been able 341 00:15:24,189 --> 00:15:22,129 to to say grandma was that true cuz she 342 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:24,199 never she never agrees with it she 343 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:25,970 thinks that's bad that that's the devil 344 00:15:34,290 --> 00:15:29,529 stuffers you know and so the story was 345 00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:34,300 the the town before they had a plumbing 346 00:15:40,179 --> 00:15:37,759 they had they built a big like a little 347 00:15:41,949 --> 00:15:40,189 river little water canal all around the 348 00:15:45,129 --> 00:15:41,959 city and so the water would come out of 349 00:15:47,530 --> 00:15:45,139 that natural spring had come down into 350 00:15:49,119 --> 00:15:47,540 the the little canal and involved feet 351 00:15:50,439 --> 00:15:49,129 all the way around the town so if you 352 00:15:51,939 --> 00:15:50,449 need a water you'd have to walk all the 353 00:15:53,530 --> 00:15:51,949 way to the spring to get your pail of 354 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:53,540 water you just grabbed it from the 355 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:55,970 little canal so it was ten o'clock at 356 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:57,170 night my grandma wanted to get a little 357 00:16:01,809 --> 00:15:58,490 bucket of water before they went to bed 358 00:16:04,269 --> 00:16:01,819 and so my mom and her my mom was like 11 359 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:04,279 she got you know she said here come with 360 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:05,689 me honey I'm gonna go get some water and 361 00:16:10,809 --> 00:16:07,550 so they both walked out of the house and 362 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:10,819 we're walking towards the canal and as 363 00:16:14,199 --> 00:16:12,110 they were walking my grandma was walking 364 00:16:15,819 --> 00:16:14,209 a lot faster than my my mom and my mom 365 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:15,829 just kind of heard a noise and she 366 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:20,500 looked over and she saw a human body 367 00:16:27,059 --> 00:16:24,410 coming towards them and so she says hey 368 00:16:29,259 --> 00:16:27,069 mom there's a man coming towards us and 369 00:16:30,340 --> 00:16:29,269 then my grandma just kept walking and 370 00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:30,350 she's like her hairy we just got to get 371 00:16:34,989 --> 00:16:32,540 the bucket and then she said mom that 372 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:34,999 guy's coming right at us and so when my 373 00:16:42,569 --> 00:16:37,850 mom looked again she noticed the human 374 00:16:44,939 --> 00:16:42,579 body was actually hovering towards them 375 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:44,949 it was not walking like a human it was 376 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:49,809 just hovering towards them and so my she 377 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:51,730 also noted that the head was not like a 378 00:16:56,729 --> 00:16:54,910 normal head with the neck it was like no 379 00:16:58,259 --> 00:16:56,739 neck was present it was like the head 380 00:17:00,539 --> 00:16:58,269 was just laying on top of the shoulders 381 00:17:03,179 --> 00:17:00,549 kind of if you think about it kinda like 382 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:03,189 an astronaut suit if you think about it 383 00:17:07,230 --> 00:17:05,110 like the helmet on the astronaut just 384 00:17:08,730 --> 00:17:07,240 goes round and then it lands on the so 385 00:17:12,299 --> 00:17:08,740 it's coming right at them and my mom 386 00:17:14,939 --> 00:17:12,309 goes mom this guy's feet aren't touching 387 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:14,949 the ground and he doesn't have a head or 388 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:17,289 something's wrong with him and so my 389 00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:19,720 grandma stops looks at the man he's 390 00:17:24,809 --> 00:17:22,959 approaching them turns around grabs my 391 00:17:27,449 --> 00:17:24,819 mom and goes right back home with no 392 00:17:30,210 --> 00:17:27,459 water for the evening that's it that's 393 00:17:31,860 --> 00:17:30,220 the story well after I I you know and 394 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:31,870 last year I was invited here I did some 395 00:17:36,330 --> 00:17:33,850 research well that's really common in 396 00:17:39,419 --> 00:17:36,340 the UFO enthusiast is hovering humanoid 397 00:17:41,399 --> 00:17:39,429 figures as I wow I didn't ever know that 398 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,409 and there was one in koyama walking 399 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:43,600 through through town at night you know 400 00:17:50,250 --> 00:17:46,690 and so that's the story that my mom 401 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:50,260 claims i'm positive what I saw you know 402 00:17:55,379 --> 00:17:53,440 I just continue here and me you and you 403 00:17:58,139 --> 00:17:55,389 know just between us at the dinner table 404 00:17:59,850 --> 00:17:58,149 don't tell anybody you know and and my 405 00:18:01,320 --> 00:17:59,860 grandma has never claimed that she saw 406 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:01,330 it or didn't see it you know she a 407 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:05,260 vaster 250 times grandma tell me and 408 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:06,850 she's like I don't know what your mom's 409 00:18:10,169 --> 00:18:08,289 talking about I we just went to get 410 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:10,179 water that night but my grandma but you 411 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:11,440 didn't get any water why don't you get 412 00:18:17,610 --> 00:18:13,750 any water so anyway that's pretty neat 413 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:17,620 little story ok the other thing my mom 414 00:18:22,110 --> 00:18:19,840 has claimed she's seen in common many 415 00:18:24,539 --> 00:18:22,120 many times is some unique phenomenon 416 00:18:27,450 --> 00:18:24,549 which are called cut they call in the 417 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:27,460 locals balls of fire and so they would 418 00:18:33,539 --> 00:18:29,710 see these balls of fire on top of 419 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:33,549 cottonwood trees near the creek or the 420 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:35,230 river they were always the other creek 421 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:38,289 or the river and so you would always ask 422 00:18:42,409 --> 00:18:39,970 the locals what is that what do y'all 423 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:42,419 think it is and they're like well it's 424 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:45,250 witches when witches want to fly they 425 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:46,570 turn into balls of fire and then they 426 00:18:50,610 --> 00:18:48,730 Phi when witches want to play they go 427 00:18:51,779 --> 00:18:50,620 and jump on top of tree cottonwood trees 428 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:51,789 and they play with each other up there 429 00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:53,559 you know they play games that's the 430 00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:54,400 locals 431 00:18:58,620 --> 00:18:57,160 okay well you know when my mom was 432 00:18:59,820 --> 00:18:58,630 telling me this and I told her it last 433 00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:59,830 year when I was coming here she said you 434 00:19:03,030 --> 00:19:00,880 know what you need to tell the crowd 435 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:03,040 then I really think when I saw him it 436 00:19:07,050 --> 00:19:05,710 might have been a ship a spaceship she 437 00:19:08,910 --> 00:19:07,060 said because now when I recall looking 438 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:08,920 at the ball of fire was not like a real 439 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:11,170 ball of fire it was just a real high 440 00:19:17,610 --> 00:19:14,830 energy circular round thing that was 441 00:19:19,650 --> 00:19:17,620 sitting on top of the trees just sitting 442 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:19,660 there hovering on top of trees she said 443 00:19:24,270 --> 00:19:21,430 but you know back in the day before 444 00:19:26,670 --> 00:19:24,280 people actually even seen helicopters or 445 00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,680 airplanes in koihime what could they how 446 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:28,480 could they say was a flying ship if 447 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:30,370 they've never seen something flying in 448 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:33,610 the air and so my mom mentions that 449 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:35,890 every time she saw him she was always in 450 00:19:42,590 --> 00:19:37,930 the presence of somebody and one of the 451 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:42,600 times there was just a good old you know 452 00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:45,610 the Pioneer stock man that dunce not 453 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:47,380 afraid to anything and he pulled out his 454 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:49,090 gun and start shooting at this ball of 455 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:51,340 fire and so he kept running towards it 456 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:53,290 yelling at it cussing at it and shooting 457 00:19:56,820 --> 00:19:55,000 at it and then it just it just you know 458 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:56,830 just flew away but he was not afraid one 459 00:20:00,540 --> 00:19:58,570 of the coyame residents he got out of 460 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:00,550 his rifle and start shooting shooting as 461 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:02,980 hard as fast as he could to try to see 462 00:20:07,860 --> 00:20:04,600 what the hell is this we've been seeing 463 00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:07,870 for so many years you know one of the 464 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:10,860 unique things about those balls of fire 465 00:20:17,780 --> 00:20:14,410 they the reaction the animals have when 466 00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:17,790 they see them dogs bark Adam you know 467 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:20,440 cattle makes weird noises when they see 468 00:20:24,450 --> 00:20:22,090 them so it's apparently not just the 469 00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:24,460 humans actually seeing it but the 470 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:26,470 animals also experience these you know 471 00:20:34,410 --> 00:20:31,470 these these balls of fire another 472 00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:34,420 interesting thing is people have seen 473 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:37,540 them we're in qayamat it's real common 474 00:20:42,150 --> 00:20:39,790 that the the ground has a lot of energy 475 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:42,160 in co yummy and so you have a lot of 476 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:44,770 just holes in the ground that emit hot 477 00:20:49,260 --> 00:20:47,170 air that comes out of them you know and 478 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:49,270 so people have seen that hot air 479 00:20:54,270 --> 00:20:52,450 sometimes turn blue like a blue hue 480 00:20:56,910 --> 00:20:54,280 coming out of the ground and so people 481 00:21:00,180 --> 00:20:56,920 have seen them those balls of fire next 482 00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:00,190 to those holes were hot air or blue blue 483 00:21:06,020 --> 00:21:03,280 hue gas comes out of the of the ground 484 00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,030 in the canyons so there's a you know 485 00:21:10,289 --> 00:21:08,080 relationship between seeing 486 00:21:12,889 --> 00:21:10,299 the balls of fire you know along the 487 00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:12,899 river where there's water or creeks and 488 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:16,000 also coming out of those those gases 489 00:21:24,659 --> 00:21:18,220 they see in the in the in the and the 490 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:24,669 holes in the ground one of the unique 491 00:21:32,009 --> 00:21:28,049 things I've seen recently in Kalama is 492 00:21:33,659 --> 00:21:32,019 there's an interest in mining and so 493 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:33,669 apparently there there's been a new mind 494 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:35,260 that was established there in koihime 495 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:39,510 and you know I don't know if there's a 496 00:21:46,019 --> 00:21:42,970 relationship with they found a lot of 497 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:46,029 uranium in qayamat so no there's a 498 00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:47,769 relationship with all these phenomenons 499 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,230 of possible UFO sightings with their 500 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:52,960 uranium present in that area you know 501 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:55,330 also when people have seen these 502 00:21:59,370 --> 00:21:57,250 hovering crafts I'm going to tell you 503 00:22:01,620 --> 00:21:59,380 three stories of people that actually 504 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:01,630 saw him that word look that did look 505 00:22:05,879 --> 00:22:03,940 like a disc flying disc there's always 506 00:22:07,710 --> 00:22:05,889 been like a smell of sulfur when they 507 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:07,720 saw this which is kind of unique and 508 00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,730 interesting the smell they would that 509 00:22:13,289 --> 00:22:11,679 they would they would see that they 510 00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:13,299 would they would feel when when they 511 00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:15,190 were there anyway there's a current mind 512 00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:16,600 that opened up and that the main 513 00:22:20,009 --> 00:22:18,070 ingredient of the main mineral they're 514 00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,019 pulling out is uranium out of gamma 515 00:22:24,180 --> 00:22:22,240 which is pretty interesting also the 516 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:24,190 connection with water that's pretty much 517 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,110 the only area of that whole section 518 00:22:29,850 --> 00:22:28,480 where there's water is kuya me there's 519 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:29,860 no you know you kind of get out of there 520 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:32,110 and it's just bare desert but right 521 00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:33,940 there there's the conscious river and 522 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:36,630 the spring right in that in that area 523 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:40,769 where all the sightings have been seen 524 00:22:48,389 --> 00:22:43,510 1968 now a family told me this story 525 00:22:50,669 --> 00:22:48,399 they were they were they had just had 526 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:50,679 dinner and they sat outside their porch 527 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:54,600 in the you know nice summer night and 528 00:22:59,759 --> 00:22:58,450 huge craft came over their house flying 529 00:23:03,120 --> 00:22:59,769 discs you know just hi everybody 530 00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:03,130 mentions I'm and not knowing what it was 531 00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:06,070 the bright light just overtook their 532 00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:08,580 house and the dad 533 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:13,200 dead hurry kids we got to run inside the 534 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,330 world's about to end this is what the 535 00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,039 Bible says is going to be the end of the 536 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:20,640 world so they all ran inside the huge 537 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:23,580 blinding light and you know kind of just 538 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:26,010 start praying the rosary and you know a 539 00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:27,750 few seconds later it was gone to light 540 00:23:33,019 --> 00:23:31,140 but it was so blinding the kids that 541 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:33,029 were little that saw it told me the 542 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:39,330 story okay 1968 another 1970s story is 543 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:43,769 an uncle of mine they were in the big 544 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,510 industry in common the old days was 545 00:23:50,539 --> 00:23:47,760 candelilla wax they would pull these 546 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:50,549 little cactus type of plants and they 547 00:23:53,659 --> 00:23:52,110 would extract the wax and they would 548 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:53,669 sell it to the US and they would use it 549 00:23:58,970 --> 00:23:56,490 as a type of waterproofing on on wings 550 00:24:01,220 --> 00:23:58,980 of airplanes for the military on tarps 551 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:01,230 military tarps so it was a big industry 552 00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,630 back in the 60s and 70s so he was out 553 00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,820 there with a team of of men working 554 00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:07,860 pulling out the Camellia wax and what 555 00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:09,179 they had to do is just kind of camp out 556 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:10,919 wherever their site was their work site 557 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:12,750 and they were just there you know having 558 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:14,730 dinner on a little bonfire and eating 559 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:17,850 dinner and a huge round craft came right 560 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:20,610 over them and everybody started 561 00:24:23,659 --> 00:24:22,049 screaming like little kids you know all 562 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,669 these grown men because they didn't know 563 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:25,260 what to do and it came right over him 564 00:24:28,909 --> 00:24:27,570 and just stood there over him and what 565 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:28,919 was interesting my uncle said is it 566 00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:31,230 didn't make any noise the craft for how 567 00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,240 humongous it was it did not make any 568 00:24:38,509 --> 00:24:35,340 noise and so all they did is they just 569 00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:38,519 you know just all went into the fetal 570 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:39,870 position because they thought they were 571 00:24:43,159 --> 00:24:41,460 going to die and then a few seconds 572 00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:43,169 later they look up and it was gone they 573 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:45,659 don't know where it went the third 574 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,730 incident that people remember when I was 575 00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:49,200 doing my book I was doing a history book 576 00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:51,659 I didn't really not a UFO enthusiast 577 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:53,669 book but people just share this this you 578 00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:55,470 need to say this this is amazing I saw 579 00:24:59,419 --> 00:24:57,059 this you need to put it in the book and 580 00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:59,429 so just don't tell anybody it was me 581 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:00,840 that I told you you know I'm embarrassed 582 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:03,929 to say I saw craft the other one was a 583 00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:07,049 group of teenagers that saw a craft come 584 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:08,580 over the town as they were walking down 585 00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:10,830 the street and they saw it and it was 586 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:12,630 coming closer and closer and what they 587 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,250 did is they grabbed sticks and rocks and 588 00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:15,600 started throwing it and throw them at 589 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:16,140 throwing 590 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:18,450 at the craft and yelling at it and it 591 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:20,070 just kept getting closer and closer and 592 00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,570 they just kept throwing rocks and then 593 00:25:25,270 --> 00:25:23,100 all of a sudden it just flew away you 594 00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:25,280 know flew away from them from the kids 595 00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,390 these men are already in there probably 596 00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:29,640 in their late 60s early 70s that told me 597 00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:33,780 this story the another interesting thing 598 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:36,150 that you know might be part of the fork 599 00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:40,050 lore or their the witch sauce sorcery is 600 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:44,100 they see an odd-looking huge black dog a 601 00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:45,450 lot of people have seen that multiple 602 00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:48,840 people with with eyes that look very odd 603 00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,220 and so remember that when nowadays we 604 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:55,440 know more about UFOs that we used to or 605 00:25:59,360 --> 00:25:57,450 you know more educated about it but 606 00:26:01,700 --> 00:25:59,370 remember in the old days before there 607 00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:01,710 was media or newspapers or you know 608 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:04,500 readily available books people just 609 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:07,410 whatever they saw they try to describe 610 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:09,450 it with what their personal experience 611 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:11,850 was for example ball of fire if nobody 612 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:13,410 had ever seen a flying saucer how could 613 00:26:16,940 --> 00:26:14,850 they describe a flying saucer they would 614 00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:16,950 just say it's a real bright ball of fire 615 00:26:24,530 --> 00:26:21,720 and so this odd-looking horse looking 616 00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:24,540 dog that has very odd eyes that moves 617 00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:27,900 very fast you know zigzag shape is 618 00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:29,580 another thing that's very odd and you 619 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:31,470 know all I have for you today is a ton 620 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:33,930 of questions no answers to all this but 621 00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:35,250 I always say people would say that 622 00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,620 really scared me you got to put it in 623 00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:39,840 the book you know multiple people saw it 624 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:41,340 in the town that we're living in the 625 00:26:59,610 --> 00:26:56,899 that a camping camping incident was in 626 00:27:01,289 --> 00:26:59,620 next to the bunker the lawyer wherever 627 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:01,299 that is they're like you got it that's 628 00:27:06,389 --> 00:27:03,010 what happened that's you know write that 629 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:06,399 down so I you know people it's amazing 630 00:27:15,419 --> 00:27:08,830 how they were so passionate about these 631 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:15,429 stories and so any questions so far sure 632 00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:16,990 you have curiosity to go to coyame now 633 00:27:27,899 --> 00:27:25,750 and say where is this place yes sir yeah 634 00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:27,909 they just said it was an odd animal that 635 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:29,950 you know as a you know an odd animal 636 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,140 that had really odd eyes you know that 637 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:35,440 you know and so many many stories of 638 00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:37,809 animal mutilation in co yeah me too you 639 00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:40,230 know there's a lot of cattle out there 640 00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:43,149 yeah just odd glowing eyes you know 641 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:47,830 that's true that's true and the any 642 00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:51,450 other questions so far comments great 643 00:27:57,389 --> 00:27:53,620 you know it's telling Brad earlier that 644 00:28:00,419 --> 00:27:57,399 this festival is so appropriate for this 645 00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:00,429 area because you know I was getting a 646 00:28:07,409 --> 00:28:04,390 little education about the terlingua 647 00:28:10,049 --> 00:28:07,419 residents yesterday very very colorful 648 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:10,059 residents there and so i won't i won't 649 00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:12,370 repeat what the locals told me that what 650 00:28:15,899 --> 00:28:13,720 they think of those people i live out 651 00:28:18,419 --> 00:28:15,909 there but this is so appropriate this 652 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:18,429 this this festival here because it's 653 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:21,240 it's true this is very unique very 654 00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:24,250 interesting energy here you know in the 655 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:26,350 in the border the people that live in 656 00:28:30,029 --> 00:28:28,330 the border the many generations that 657 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:30,039 have survived that that's the reason I'm 658 00:28:35,370 --> 00:28:33,970 here you know the we get you know I when 659 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:35,380 I come I'm like I hope I find a 660 00:28:38,639 --> 00:28:37,090 restaurant guy I get real nervous just 661 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:38,649 because finding a restaurant out here 662 00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:40,690 you know and so I think this is great 663 00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:42,760 the bread and the the city is putting 664 00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:44,830 this together because it is part of the 665 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:47,860 the atmosphere atmosphere here I have 666 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:51,730 one more thing to close with the June 667 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:54,370 twentieth next year the week end of June 668 00:28:59,220 --> 00:28:56,350 twentieth will mark the 300th 669 00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:59,230 anniversary of koyama the gut is the 670 00:29:04,369 --> 00:29:01,799 Chihuahua government including the 671 00:29:07,489 --> 00:29:04,379 the local government is putting on a 672 00:29:09,259 --> 00:29:07,499 huge party that weekend there is a type 673 00:29:11,479 --> 00:29:09,269 of holiday inn was that was built there 674 00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:11,489 from some American investors that's a 675 00:29:17,419 --> 00:29:15,029 three-story hotel that's already sold 676 00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:17,429 out for the event and so apparently it's 677 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:20,039 a big deal we will have our co Yama UFO 678 00:29:26,239 --> 00:29:24,330 experts there we will have confirmed or 679 00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:26,249 not confirmed we have to say that in 680 00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:27,899 case somebody in the public is not 681 00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:30,989 really an audience member part of the 682 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:33,899 wreckage of the of the of the wreckage 683 00:29:39,259 --> 00:29:36,210 there I had a phone call from somebody 684 00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:39,269 called me and said they have part of an 685 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:43,080 odd material that you squish and then it 686 00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:44,850 kind of goes back to its normal shape 687 00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:47,220 it's very odd so there's no be part of 688 00:29:50,899 --> 00:29:48,600 the wreckage will be there that there 689 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:50,909 will be also a tour of where the site is 690 00:29:55,249 --> 00:29:53,369 we have permission from the the owners 691 00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:55,259 of the wrench to have a tour if you like 692 00:29:59,749 --> 00:29:57,539 we will also have that night with them 693 00:30:02,119 --> 00:29:59,759 we're going to have a type of bond fire 694 00:30:04,820 --> 00:30:02,129 and bring out all the old timers for off 695 00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:04,830 the record personal stories of stuff 696 00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:08,369 they've seen the there you know there's 697 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:09,779 going to be a lot of cultural events 698 00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:11,369 every night there's gonna be a band 699 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:15,960 plane the ton of you know food booths 700 00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:21,570 the traditional Spanish rodeo just tons 701 00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:23,789 of activities if you guys like to come 702 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:28,799 out you next to the that water spring I 703 00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:30,330 was telling you about what they did is 704 00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:31,799 they rear out some of the water and 705 00:30:35,899 --> 00:30:33,509 there's some two huge swimming pools 706 00:30:37,369 --> 00:30:35,909 people jump in and and have you know you 707 00:30:39,349 --> 00:30:37,379 can use those in the summer when you're 708 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:39,359 there they're under underneath a bunch 709 00:30:43,249 --> 00:30:41,730 of you know 200 year old cottonwood 710 00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:43,259 trees so it's really beautiful setting 711 00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:45,299 next to that is our V spots where a lot 712 00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:47,580 of people hook up their RV or just tint 713 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:49,470 you know put tents you could also stay 714 00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,700 here and it's just like a 30 minute 715 00:30:54,499 --> 00:30:53,039 drive across the border into koyama it's 716 00:30:57,229 --> 00:30:54,509 through the old highway the new highway 717 00:31:01,009 --> 00:30:57,239 the toll is you have to go to the old 718 00:31:02,659 --> 00:31:01,019 highway and nothing dangerous over there 719 00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,669 don't don't feel scared on this in the 720 00:31:07,090 --> 00:31:04,559 media don't listen to everything on the 721 00:31:08,650 --> 00:31:07,100 internet you know it's not 722 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:08,660 nothing Bad's ever happened out there 723 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:14,720 yes sir oh yeah you'll get to go through 724 00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:17,570 that baby's Canyon which is just in 725 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:18,830 beautiful beautiful beautiful 726 00:31:22,330 --> 00:31:20,450 breathtaking they actually have like a 727 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:22,340 rest area at the top and you walk down 728 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:26,330 on a path that has some rails and you 729 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:28,070 get down there just breathtaking view of 730 00:31:32,409 --> 00:31:30,110 the conscious River through through the 731 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:32,419 through the canyon a really nice place 732 00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:35,690 the locals are roll open to you know to 733 00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,900 two people visiting and the any other 734 00:31:43,870 --> 00:31:40,640 questions of like i said i'm not a UFO 735 00:31:45,789 --> 00:31:43,880 expert i just the historian and love the 736 00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,799 border history and and people just 737 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:47,840 opened up to me i'm sure i could write a 738 00:31:52,029 --> 00:31:49,820 book of everything if i went in there 739 00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,039 and research just the phenomena could 740 00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:54,320 write a whole book from cuyama residents 741 00:31:59,500 --> 00:31:57,110 and border residents all the odd things 742 00:32:01,060 --> 00:31:59,510 you know they you have the sauna 743 00:32:03,070 --> 00:32:01,070 silencio a little area that's kind of 744 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:03,080 odd out here that radios don't work I'm 745 00:32:08,860 --> 00:32:05,570 you you can you can do a book over and 746 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:08,870 do a whole two days lecture over all the 747 00:32:16,419 --> 00:32:10,490 odd things in the border people see out 748 00:32:18,610 --> 00:32:16,429 here yes sir oh yeah I'm there there's a 749 00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:18,620 lot of stuff Inc o llame they have some 750 00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:21,500 caverns that they discovered that there 751 00:32:26,409 --> 00:32:24,860 was actually a human homemade ladder 752 00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:26,419 somebody made but work before the 753 00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:28,039 Spaniards arrived so the Indians were 754 00:32:32,409 --> 00:32:29,990 going in this Canyon and each there's 755 00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:32,419 multiple rooms in there that the locals 756 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:34,070 were going to come in on that ladder go 757 00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:36,289 down in a rope and they throw parties 758 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:38,840 like dance parties it was so big these 759 00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,820 rooms in this canyon well later the 760 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,080 government took over and they actually 761 00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:44,720 made it safe with lighting and guides 762 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:46,700 and you can go in there and that's 763 00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:48,530 available to you to remember that 764 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:50,030 there's a lot of history there to the 765 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:51,850 mexican revolution started in koihime 766 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,230 toribio ortega was born in co llame 767 00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:56,000 which was the original leader of the 768 00:33:00,850 --> 00:32:57,860 that teamed up with Pancho Villa and 769 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:00,860 started the Mexican Revolution so that 770 00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:04,010 started in cuyama the Apache Wars ended 771 00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,380 in co llame where we're talking to the 772 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:08,240 Apache tribes to see they want to come 773 00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:11,929 out and do actual peace treaty blessing 774 00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:13,640 of the site where the last Apache chief 775 00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:15,260 was killed it's called tres Castillo's 776 00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:17,720 that happened in Kiama to 777 00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:20,540 the we will have a distillery of sotol 778 00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:23,180 that's a very very very popular liquor 779 00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:25,160 that comes out of co llame there'll be 780 00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:27,590 an actual distillery in service so you 781 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:30,260 can see how it's made we will also have 782 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:36,200 the candelilla wax process in in the 783 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:37,730 process actually there so you can see 784 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:40,310 how they take the wax off the cactus 785 00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:43,790 type plant and make the product to to do 786 00:33:48,910 --> 00:33:46,940 the waterproofing of many many items so 787 00:33:53,050 --> 00:33:48,920 there'd be a lot of educational stuff 788 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:53,060 you're welcome to go the my email I 789 00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:54,680 think will be on that website if anybody 790 00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:57,070 else has any personal questions or or 791 00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:59,240 any you know anything else you might 792 00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:03,200 want to hear from me yes sir yes go 793 00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:05,900 ahead ma'am yes there's two questions 794 00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:19,159 South year that may be 795 00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:23,839 yeah great idea that'd be good good for 796 00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:25,710 Presidio procedure might like to be 797 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,950 involved in that chairs whatever you're 798 00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:36,720 at your comfort level but remember that 799 00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:39,000 from here to there 30 minutes you're not 800 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,099 going you know it's just is there's 801 00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,440 going to be the ninety percent of the 802 00:34:47,059 --> 00:34:44,940 people they're going to be Americans on 803 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:47,069 that party ninety percent are gonna be 804 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:53,040 Americans yeah yes sir jun 20th it's the 805 00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:57,930 weekend of June twentieth 2015 the we 806 00:35:01,280 --> 00:34:59,700 just had a meeting last Sunday with the 807 00:35:03,069 --> 00:35:01,290 majority that people putting it together 808 00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:03,079 Americans actually they're the 809 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:05,790 organizers it's our roots we're bringing 810 00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:15,720 that's what telling you ninety percent 811 00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:18,040 of the party which is four thousand 812 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:23,080 people or Americans come in I think I'm 813 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:24,970 think I'm more in danger in Odessa right 814 00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:26,290 now there's two deaths a day right now 815 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:29,640 no desa it is true is this we have 36 816 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:32,530 traffic deaths so far this year 37 817 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:36,400 deaths traffic then cuyama hadn't had a 818 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:39,430 death in 40 years so it's really your 819 00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:41,470 comfort level I mean the the statistics 820 00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:43,780 are there you know but the odds are 821 00:35:51,259 --> 00:35:45,220 nothing's going to happen to you you 822 00:35:54,509 --> 00:35:53,099 yes sir and I was going to leave that to 823 00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:54,519 the guys because they're the experts in 824 00:35:57,059 --> 00:35:55,900 it let me just tell you briefly because 825 00:35:58,559 --> 00:35:57,069 they're already tell me to get down from 826 00:36:00,329 --> 00:35:58,569 here but I'm going to just tell you what 827 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:00,339 I when I interviewed people I didn't 828 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:01,450 interview him for the crash but 829 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:03,970 everybody's like here's a personal 830 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:05,170 account that I know that I can share 831 00:36:11,549 --> 00:36:06,569 with you but these guys are the experts 832 00:36:14,279 --> 00:36:11,559 i was born in Chihuahua city 1973 okay 833 00:36:16,829 --> 00:36:14,289 this occurred a year later my parents 834 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:16,839 when they got married my dad was from 835 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:18,430 Chihuahua my mom was from cuyama they 836 00:36:23,099 --> 00:36:19,930 got married and they moved to Chihuahua 837 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:23,109 I was born there I was a year old when 838 00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:27,130 my mom's brother called her okay 1974 839 00:36:31,529 --> 00:36:29,740 and said hey there was this wreckage and 840 00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:31,539 we went over there and it was really 841 00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:33,400 neat and that we saw a bunch of military 842 00:36:39,809 --> 00:36:36,609 there and we don't know if it was a drug 843 00:36:42,779 --> 00:36:39,819 running plain or not really neat stuff 844 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:42,789 we also saw a flatbed truck with 845 00:36:47,249 --> 00:36:44,980 something in it something on top of it 846 00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:47,259 with a tarp that's what my uncle called 847 00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:49,180 my mom back in the nineteen seventy-four 848 00:36:52,289 --> 00:36:50,470 you didn't call it was only one phone 849 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,299 inquiry on me very expensive to make 850 00:36:57,299 --> 00:36:54,160 long distance calls he took the time to 851 00:36:59,460 --> 00:36:57,309 pay the charge to call her to Chihuahua 852 00:37:01,049 --> 00:36:59,470 to tell her there's also a personal 853 00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:01,059 friend of mine a personal friend of the 854 00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:03,640 family that's in his 70s that he was 855 00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:05,140 says he was there when they called the 856 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:06,940 police to go there and look at it he saw 857 00:37:11,489 --> 00:37:09,249 the whole wreckage but if you ask them 858 00:37:13,289 --> 00:37:11,499 to put on a book or to do a record with 859 00:37:15,329 --> 00:37:13,299 somebody an outsider they say what are 860 00:37:18,479 --> 00:37:15,339 you talking about there's no wreckage 861 00:37:20,609 --> 00:37:18,489 here they have two reasons to be scared 862 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:20,619 either it's mafia ties and they don't 863 00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:22,420 want to get involved with the cartels 864 00:37:28,229 --> 00:37:26,349 and snitch or the government if it's 865 00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:28,239 true the government the US government 866 00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:29,980 killed a bunch of Mexican soldiers to 867 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,440 retrieve that craft they're afraid to 868 00:37:37,799 --> 00:37:35,440 say you you saw something okay come on 869 00:37:39,569 --> 00:37:37,809 you're disappearing you're not going to 870 00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:39,579 be here any longer so that's there 871 00:37:43,799 --> 00:37:41,529 that's that's there that's the two 872 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:43,809 personal accounts I have so a lot of 873 00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,529 times people say your talk didn't you 874 00:37:52,829 --> 00:37:49,359 say you saw something oh yeah that 875 00:37:54,180 --> 00:37:52,839 happened in the 80s not 1974 and that's 876 00:37:56,549 --> 00:37:54,190 where it gets really confusing because 877 00:37:59,640 --> 00:37:56,559 you say the 80s no we're talking about 878 00:38:01,840 --> 00:37:59,650 1974 not the mid-80s no I was talking 879 00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:01,850 about the wreckage I saw a plane crash 880 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:05,390 1886 you go what you're confusing me 881 00:38:09,790 --> 00:38:06,890 you're like yes I want to confuse you 882 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:09,800 I'm smart I'm a smarter border resident 883 00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:11,930 than you think so that's what I think 884 00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:14,030 about the report these guys are going to 885 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,460 fascinate you but I hope my information 886 00:38:20,140 --> 00:38:18,320 helps you understand the people that 887 00:38:22,270 --> 00:38:20,150 live out here they want to be left alone 888 00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:22,280 like the terlingua residents just leave 889 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:24,110 me alone I'm a little crazy just leave 890 00:38:29,170 --> 00:38:26,950 me alone don't they'll come to my house 891 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:29,180 maybe we should retire down here and 892 00:38:35,350 --> 00:38:32,810 leave Odessa and but also to understand 893 00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:35,360 that the culture you know that has to do 894 00:38:40,030 --> 00:38:38,660 with what they saw what they can and 895 00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:40,040 can't say because of the church 896 00:38:44,830 --> 00:38:43,340 influence and also that they might be 897 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:44,840 smarter than we think those residents 898 00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:46,970 but if you go to coyame that weekend I 899 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:48,500 don't promise you you won't get 900 00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:52,370 kidnapped or beheaded but the you will 901 00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,200 have a great time and we will have a 902 00:38:58,540 --> 00:38:56,240 personal tour with these guys of the 903 00:39:00,640 --> 00:38:58,550 site we already have somebody that could 904 00:39:02,380 --> 00:39:00,650 many people tell you I'll tell you where 905 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:02,390 to go and off the record turn your 906 00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:03,710 recorder off let me tell you what I 907 00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:05,180 think happened and you'll have that 908 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:06,710 personal account you'll see part of the 909 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:07,970 wreckage that might be part of the 910 00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:10,970 saucer and I think you'll have a great 911 00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:12,380 time down there and you have my email so 912 00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:13,430 if you guys want to ask any other 913 00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:15,800 questions and thank you city of Presidio 914 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:17,750 and Brad this is great I'm glad you guys 915 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:19,130 putting this stuff together we need this